The relevant part of the conversation begins at 22:37:58, but I've included the log from either side for the purposes of context.
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(23:23:40) nadeemaslam36:
ALCOHOL MOTHER OF ALL EVILS (23:23:42) sungsinct58: before attempting to deal to the SPECK * in mine (23:23:48) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem - No, not all... (23:23:49) zahid_rao9 entered the room. (23:23:49) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Just a lot. (23:23:49) ga_pete361: foxy, a genetic predisoposition (23:23:50) serpentine_gurl entered the room. (23:23:55) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Serp! >:D< (23:24:00) serpentine_gurl: foxy! (23:24:03) breeeze_in_the_trees: sane, agreed..I have enjoyed his chats when he was sobor (23:24:04) serpentine_gurl: >:D< (23:24:06) breeeze_in_the_trees: sober* (23:24:08) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Pete - You can have a genetic predisposition to liking cheese, but that's not a disease. (23:24:10) sungsinct58: althoiugh specks are damn tricky to get at (23:24:10) breeeze_in_the_trees: hey serp (23:24:11) gronc_smith: religion ....MOTHER OF ALL EVILS (23:24:13) omokhaye09 left the room. (23:24:15) sungsinct58: being as they are so small (23:24:20) ga_pete361: I've never heard of that (23:24:20) serpentine_gurl: hey breezy baby (23:24:23) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: I have. (23:24:29) nadeemaslam36: FOXYYES A BIGYES SEE REPORTS (23:24:33) sungsinct58: but no less troubleasome :) (23:24:35) breeeze_in_the_trees: :P (23:24:42) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: No, Nadeem. Not all. You clearly have no idea of "all" the evils in the world. (23:24:42) serpentine_gurl: :D (23:24:50) zahid_rao9 left the room. (23:24:58) ga_pete361: you have a genetic predisoposition to breathing too, but that's not a problem (23:24:59) sungsinct58: oh....my eye :P (23:25:06) ga_pete361: an alcoholic drinks one time, it is (23:25:07) sungsinct58: hi serp (23:25:10) ed_cam05 left the room. (23:25:12) serpentine_gurl: hi sung (23:25:13) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: No, that's not a predisposition, but a reflex. (23:25:23) mukherji_runa left the room. (23:25:31) nadeemaslam36: IDO HAVE AWARENESS FOXY (23:25:35) mukherji_runa entered the room. (23:25:39) brainyladybug55: I think pete is right about the genetic predisposition to alcohol. may explain why some people can take it or leave it and others have to have it regularly (23:25:40) sungsinct58: i'm playimg the sung i drunk...ignore everyone game (23:25:44) magillagirly: everyones got a natural tendency towards something (23:25:48) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Clearly, not, Nadeem. You know typing in all capital letters is evil, right? (23:25:50) sungsinct58: it's great fun (23:25:52) serpentine_gurl: awareness it seems only of your own balls nadeem (23:25:52) ga_pete361: brainy, it's the only thing that makes any sense (23:26:00) determinant782006: hey ppls sitting here , this man is from pak, he is muslim 28 yrs old did MBA and doing his job in pak (23:26:00) nadeemaslam36: DEAD DRINKER WASALSO FIRSTSOCIALDRINKER (23:26:02) gronc_smith: lol foxy (23:26:09) nadeemaslam36: WHY (23:26:12) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Brainy - Right, but I'm asking why alcoholism is classified as a disease? With something like cancer, it's obvious. (23:26:13) nadeemaslam36: why (23:26:19) ga_pete361: I know our alcohol councilors actually look for that too (23:26:21) sungsinct58: ok nadeem gets ignored for mentioning drinking (23:26:27) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem - I'm afraid you're not making much sense. (23:26:30) brainyladybug55: foxy, I think both pete and I explained it rather well (23:26:31) ga_pete361: foxy, they can't stop, that's the difference (23:26:34) sungsinct58: (this is the game) (23:26:40) sungsinct58: is enormous fun (23:26:47) sungsinct58: *click* (23:26:53) nadeemaslam36: yes that showsurdrinker? (23:27:01) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem, I have no idea what you're asking. (23:27:18) sungsinct58: right....who want's to be ignored next ? (23:27:21) nadeemaslam36: ur drinker//? (23:27:24) sungsinct58: come on (23:27:31) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Brainy and Pete - I have read what you've both said, but it's not actually answering the question I have. Don't worry; I'll do some research. (23:27:33) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Hell no, Nadeem. (23:27:43) nadeemaslam36: good (23:27:45) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: I do NOT like the way intoxication feels. (23:27:55) determinant782006 left the room. (23:27:57) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: But it is for that reason only - that *I* don't like it. It's not about being good, bad or otherwise. (23:28:05) sungsinct58: who is going is going to make some shitty below the belt remark ? (23:28:09) sungsinct58: make it (23:28:14) nadeemaslam36: great than why u support it? (23:28:23) brainyladybug55: definition of disease: (23:28:23) sungsinct58: you won't last 5 seconds (23:28:26) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: I never said anything of the sort, Nadeem. (23:28:42) brainyladybug55: a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, (23:28:43) brainyladybug55: infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment. (23:28:44) nadeemaslam36: ah (23:28:58) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Brainy - Ah, okay. THAT makes sense. (23:28:59) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Thanks. (23:29:01) sungsinct58: i'm not here to suck up to you lot (23:29:06) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: That's what I was looking for. Thank you. (23:29:20) sungsinct58: and i am not going to take your shite (23:29:39) sungsinct58: pussies (23:29:43) sungsinct58 left the room. (23:29:50) nadeemaslam36: ah usaidabout evil foxy (23:29:57) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem - I only ever said that not ALL evils were caused by alcohol. That does NOT mean I support alcohol abuse. (23:30:06) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: You seem to need work on your English skills, Nadeem. (23:30:15) breeeze_in_the_trees: evils are mostly reserved for tequila ;)) (23:30:20) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lol Breeze (23:30:23) nadeemaslam36: yes ur right sorry (23:30:31) serpentine_gurl: like this one time when i was in Tijuana...... (23:30:36) breeeze_in_the_trees: pure evill in a bottle :)) (23:30:37) nadeemaslam36: myk board (23:30:44) breeeze_in_the_trees: serp .lol (23:30:48) serpentine_gurl: :)) (23:30:58) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem, I use a wheelchair because drunk drivers smashed into my car. I don't like alcohol abuse at all. But that doesn't change the fact that there are evils in the world that (23:30:59) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: are nothing to do with alcohol. (23:31:00) ga_pete361: I can't see how anyone can drink that much, I can't drink more than a single cup, maybe two, of anything at a time (23:31:01) magillagirly: if you truly thought it was evil, you wouldn't also think it was cool (23:31:19) ga_pete361: let alone drink enough alcohol that it would have that kind of effect (23:31:22) nadeemaslam36: sad but ru ok now (23:31:29) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: No, Nadeem, I'm not okay. (23:31:33) breeeze_in_the_trees: tequila and 2 hours -----> "dude, your mom is looking hot about now..." (23:31:34) lukegrunau: I found some interesting stats - 90 percent of surveyed Americans believe alcoholism is a disease, but 80 percent of questioned doctors believe it to be an addiction (23:31:37) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lol Breeze (23:31:42) breeeze_in_the_trees: lol (23:31:48) lukegrunau: If we're even still discussing that (23:31:49) nadeemaslam36: how ur body (23:31:52) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Luke - That IS interesting. Where'd you find that? (23:31:58) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem - My body is wrecked. (23:32:02) lukegrunau: Some obscure website from a google search (23:32:08) lukegrunau: It may not even be true (23:32:09) ***foxygoddess@rocketmail.com wonders what part of "I use a wheelchair" Nadeem didn't get? (23:32:18) mukherji_runa: but treatment is good in ur country (23:32:22) brainyladybug55: luke, but the DSM lV classifies an addiction as a disease (23:32:22) nadeemaslam36: but praise ur LORD ursaved (23:32:29) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: No, Nadeem. Not at all. (23:32:50) lukegrunau: Sorry, i paraphrased, it doesn't actually say addiction (23:32:50) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Firstly, there's nothing from which to be saved. Secondly, if there were a god that intervened on the behalf of the innocents, I'd never have been hit once, let alone three times. (23:32:53) lukegrunau: it says bad behaviour (23:33:13) nadeemaslam36: ucould nothave been using ps or laptop tHAN? (23:33:13) ga_pete361: and you damn sure have to treat addiction that way (23:33:35) oshadi_01 left the room. (23:33:36) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem - What I can and can't do in regards to a computer is irrelevant. (23:33:42) nadeemaslam36: this shows there is god (23:33:55) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: No, Nadeem, it doesn't. If there were a god that intervened, I never would have been hit at all. (23:33:58) brainyladybug55: luke, the DSM lV (diagnostic and statistical manual) which is written and updated by doctors classifies it addiction as disease (23:34:09) nadeemaslam36: wt if u would have lost bothhands /? (23:34:21) gurukarthi007 entered the room. (23:34:31) mukherji_runa: she would not be talking to u (23:34:36) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Then I'd be fucked trying to propel my wheelchair, wouldn't I? (23:34:37) lukegrunau: So that means all addictions are disease, but not all diseases are addictions? (23:34:39) nadeemaslam36: but i bet oneday u will forget it after being healed up (23:34:40) magillagirly: I like how nadeem thinks...what a sweet message (23:34:43) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Jesus fucking Christ some people are THICK. (23:34:50) brainyladybug55: ofcourse all diseases are not addictions (23:34:52) ga_pete361: luke, yeah that's about right (23:35:01) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem, I have been like this for YEARS AND YEARS. I'm not GOING to get "healed up". (23:35:16) brainyladybug55: nadeem, how do you justify minimizing foxy's injuries? (23:35:28) nadeemaslam36: how long/? (23:35:35) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Apparently, the fact that my hands work means there's a god; the fact that the rest of my body is fucked has no relevance. (23:35:41) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: A long time, Nadeem. Many, many years. (23:35:57) ga_pete361: hey my hand works, which means I can give nadeem the finger (23:36:00) breeeze_in_the_trees: believing in imaginary objects without supporting evidence evidence could be an addiction (23:36:02) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lol Pete (23:36:03) brainyladybug55: foxy, I got that shit after my son was killed and the godders insisted that "god" had spared my daughter (23:36:11) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Brainy - That's SO fucked up. (23:36:14) nadeemaslam36: thereis ok see other ppl many pplunconciousfor yrs (23:36:15) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: I mean, wtf?! (23:36:31) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: So what, Nadeem? That only proves MY point: if there's a god, it doesn't intervene. (23:36:33) brainyladybug55: I also got notes in my mailbox that I MUST be saved so I can see my little boy in heaven (23:36:42) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Brainy - Oh, now THAT is even MORE fucked. (23:36:42) breeeze_in_the_trees: geez (23:36:52) magillagirly: Whats wrong with looking on the bright side? (23:36:54) breeeze_in_the_trees: someone would have gotten punched in the face (23:37:06) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: "Oh, but your daughter was spared - praise God!" "Uh... I'd be praising God if my son had been saved." (23:37:08) ga_pete361: Magi, I wish more people did (23:37:09) nadeemaslam36: foxy see other ppl whor unconcious for many years ur better than them (23:37:12) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Like the son didn't mean anything?! (23:37:12) brainyladybug55: girly, its not HIS bright side to look on or impose on foxy (23:37:16) mukherji_runa: thts how ppl try to console u (23:37:17) brainyladybug55: it is HER experience (23:37:19) breeeze_in_the_trees: i hate religious assholes (23:37:30) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem - And lucky for them, they don't feel pain. I LIVE in chronic pain, 24/7. (23:37:32) gronc_smith: lol breeze..agreed (23:37:40) breeeze_in_the_trees: hey gronc (23:37:50) gronc_smith: how are ya?? (23:37:55) ga_pete361: breeze, nadeem is a regular propagandist who goes to room four, it's dead right now so it's probably why he came in here (23:37:58) nadeemaslam36: my onedaughterdied 10yrs after falling from roof (23:38:04) breeeze_in_the_trees: doing well ty, hope your day is fine :) (23:38:09) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Pete - Ah, is that right? Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know. (23:38:10) breeeze_in_the_trees: ahhh (23:38:15) magillagirly: I had a friend once...she would always say "it could always get worse" (23:38:23) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem - If there were an intervening god, she wouldn't have fallen. (23:38:48) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Mags - Oh, look, for sure things could be worse. What pisses me off is Nadeem's trivialisation of the matter. (23:38:54) serpentine_gurl: oh but foxy don't you know it's a test of faith..;) (23:39:01) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lol Serp - What faith? :) (23:39:05) serpentine_gurl: :)) (23:39:15) nadeemaslam36: but 2days before younger fell from roof saved yes i praise my lord (23:39:16) breeeze_in_the_trees: usually when tht is said..soon there IS a knock on the door :)) (23:39:27) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Nadeem - Then you're an idiot. Goodbye. :) (23:39:37) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: *** nadeemaslam36 will be ignored. (23:39:41) lukegrunau: Maybe you should have learned after your first one fell from the roof not to let your kids climb on the roof anymore.. (23:39:45) brainyladybug55: I"ve had muslims in here tell me that I should rejoice that my son is with "allah" (23:39:47) nadeemaslam36: she fell from thesamehight butsaved (23:39:48) breeeze_in_the_trees: "hi, im here to take your car..your lender says your payments are four months late (23:39:49) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lol Luke - EXACTLY! (23:39:51) brainyladybug55: they just don't get it (23:39:59) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Brainy - That's so fucked up. (23:39:59) magillagirly: someone doesnt have kids... (23:40:05) brainyladybug55: nadeem, why are you letting your children hang out on the roof? (23:40:14) nadeemaslam36: bye i go foxy ube happy (23:40:23) ***foxygoddess@rocketmail.com bites her tongue. (23:40:23) breeeze_in_the_trees: but sometimes the bible isnt so bad...some people stuff their hundred dollar bills in it :)) (23:40:30) brainyladybug55: and if TWO kids fell off your roof, you're not watching them very closely (23:40:31) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lol Breeze (23:40:33) nadeemaslam36: children r children neverstops (23:40:36) breeeze_in_the_trees: ;)) (23:40:37) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Absolutely, Brainy. (23:40:37) serpentine_gurl: lol breeze (23:40:46) brainyladybug55: nadeem, yes I know, I raised three my self (23:40:54) brainyladybug55: never had trouble keeping them off the roof (23:41:08) nadeemaslam36: every body else wasinside n kids out (23:41:18) magillagirly: I used to hang out on the roof...I just never fell off (23:41:19) lukegrunau: That justifies it? (23:41:23) brainyladybug55: how old were these kids? (23:41:36) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: I did too, Mags... Ah, the days of being fit and agile! (23:41:47) serpentine_gurl: luke...they can justify anything (23:41:55) breeeze_in_the_trees: i caught my dad from slipping off the roof..we kept telling him. one day I was up there with him removing ice..and he starts to slide..I was suddenly superman :)) (23:42:09) breeeze_in_the_trees: 3 weeks later he was up there again, fell off and broke his wrist (23:42:10) magillagirly: I used to climb grain silos and haylofts too (23:42:12) nadeemaslam36: so she 4yrs went up stairs than from roof she fell down by thegrace of god no injury saved (23:42:14) breeeze_in_the_trees: =)) (23:42:20) magillagirly: no matter how many times I was told not to...I kept doing it (23:42:20) brainyladybug55: 4 years? (23:42:22) ga_pete361: Magi, you know that falling really is one of those things that's high on the list of accidental deaths (23:42:27) brainyladybug55: how old was the one that died? (23:42:33) nadeemaslam36: yes (23:42:35) magillagirly: pete...yup (23:42:36) mukherji_runa left the room. (23:42:37) breeeze_in_the_trees: mags, i was a climber...still have it in my heart (23:42:46) nadeemaslam36: nearly 3 (23:42:56) breeeze_in_the_trees: eventually I learned of a thing called a "rope" (23:42:58) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Mags - Likewise. I was a climber from the moment of conception, I'm sure. (23:43:02) serpentine_gurl: a 3 year old on the roof! (23:43:05) brainyladybug55: nadeem, I'm sorry for your loss, BUT you should have been watching children that young (23:43:09) magillagirly: me too breeze...I love being on top of things (23:43:10) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Jesus fucking Christ, Serp. You're shitting me?! (23:43:11) lukegrunau: Did God's grace just run out after the first time? (23:43:17) ga_pete361: course Magi, I sometimes question that because I've never personally known anyone who died that way, but, I can't believe they just made that statistic up (23:43:20) brainyladybug55: especially if you KNEW they had a propensity for playing on the roof (23:43:21) breeeze_in_the_trees: yep (23:43:23) lukegrunau: Or does God just flip a coin (23:43:24) serpentine_gurl: that's what he said foxy (23:43:26) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: My god. (23:43:27) lolopee3 entered the room. (23:43:28) nadeemaslam36: my wife isin with hersister house nowit happened there (23:43:32) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: He truly IS an idiot. :| (23:43:35) breeeze_in_the_trees: and climbing down can be entirely different world (23:43:40) serpentine_gurl: :| indeed (23:43:41) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: That was a preventable death. (23:43:42) lolopee3: Is anyone here for religion? (23:43:50) brainyladybug55: nadeem, I wouldn't have let a 4 year old outside without me being outside with her (23:43:57) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: It was through his negligence, rather than someone else's stupidity, that the kid died. (23:44:03) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Damn straight, Brainy. (23:44:13) nadeemaslam36: urright but kids r kids only godsave them (23:44:14) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Most kids at that age have no real perception of danger. (23:44:23) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Except the sort from their parents if they get busted doing the wrong thing. lol (23:44:28) brainyladybug55: nadeem kids are kids.. .that's why they have PARENTS (23:44:33) lukegrunau: How can you justify the fact that you're a bad parent by saying that kids are kids (23:44:38) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Exactly, Brainy. Children aren't just short adults. (23:44:39) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: They're CHILDREN. (23:44:40) serpentine_gurl: no nadeem...you can't put your responsibilities on god you dumbfuck (23:44:57) brainyladybug55: nadeem, you treat your kids like they're disposable (23:45:00) breeeze_in_the_trees: the concept of god needs to include supporting reproducable evidence, otherwise I dont see it being anything different than favorite blanket (23:45:00) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: I'm just... dumbfounded. (23:45:00) ga_pete361: luke, you can be the best parent in the world and kids are still going to manage to do stupid things (23:45:11) magillagirly: a 4 year old...gotta have your eyeballs on them almost constantly (23:45:17) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Yes, kids WILL do stupid things. But a three-year-old on a ROOF?! (23:45:18) breeeze_in_the_trees: might as well suck your thumb while your at it as well (23:45:25) brainyladybug55: pete, I agree there, BUT, if he KNEW that his kids liked to play on the roof, why let them outside without supervision? (23:45:27) betelgeuse_rising left the room. (23:45:33) hani.basha55 entered the room. (23:45:36) ram_luv1 entered the room. (23:45:37) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Exactly. (23:45:37) nadeemaslam36: lol but sometimes they say they want MOON or pleaseput ELEPHANT in a small boxLOL (23:45:38) ga_pete361: there is no possible way that you can figure out every single combination of things a kid can come up with to hurt themselves (23:45:47) brainyladybug55: for that matter, why let a 3 and a 4 year old outside without supervision at all? (23:45:49) ga_pete361: brainy, well I'm not talking about that per se (23:45:55) ga_pete361: yeah I wouldn't let mine play on the roof (23:45:59) lukegrunau: I'm just saying, to let kids under 5 play on the roof and to continue to let it happen after 1 falls off is getting pretty close to negligence (23:46:08) ram_luv1: hiii to u all (23:46:10) nadeemaslam36: they were with other kids (23:46:11) lolopee3: Who wants to see supportive evidance for god (23:46:12) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: My mother found many ways of protecting me from myself. Pity she didn't protect me from my father. C'est la vie. (23:46:15) breeeze_in_the_trees: there was a time in my youth I consdiered when or not my parents supervised me enough...I think it was about the time i was stealing shotgun shells for gunpowder :)) (23:46:18) brainyladybug55: nadeem, they SHOULD have been with their parents (23:46:31) ram_luv1: hiiiii sane (23:46:33) nadeemaslam36: mama insidechatting with her sister (23:46:33) brainyladybug55: I didn't let my kids play outside without me watching them until they were in school (23:46:34) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Luke - Pretty close?! I'd say it's a bullseye! (23:46:36) hani.basha55 left the room. (23:46:38) breeeze_in_the_trees: I gave it some consideration...and ran into thw woods with a hacksaw :)) (23:46:50) ga_pete361: my daughter managed to set her hand on fire one night, simply by reading a book (23:46:53) lukegrunau: Maybe I'm wrong, I don't have kids (23:46:58) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: How'd she do that, Pete? (23:47:02) nadeemaslam36: wedo BUT kids rkidslol (23:47:08) magillagirly: I'm the same way brainy... (23:47:14) ga_pete361: foxy, because the book was about a little girl who liked to read by candle light, lol (23:47:21) brainyladybug55: nadeem, kids will be kids, but THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE PARENTS (23:47:22) ga_pete361: so guess what she did (23:47:28) brainyladybug55: your wife should have been watching (23:47:28) breeeze_in_the_trees: if my folks only knew it was even worse than it appeared :)) (23:47:38) breeeze_in_the_trees: but i survived (23:47:39) lolopee3: Having kids gives you feeling of life (23:47:39) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Luke - Kids are far more intelligent than most adults like to give them credit for... BUT the part of their brains that moderates decision-making, impulse-control, (23:47:39) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: etc. aren't fully developed, yet. They're smart, but immature. (23:47:41) hetu_007 entered the room. (23:47:44) magillagirly: thats the point (23:47:49) breeeze_in_the_trees: still have all my arms and legs and fingers =)) (23:47:52) nadeemaslam36: sowhy ga daughter got hurt byfire (23:47:55) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Pete - Ah, so it wasn't the book, but the matches/candle. (23:48:08) ram_luv1 left the room. (23:48:13) ga_pete361: yeah foxy, a combination of stupid things, that were completley unanticipated (23:48:18) brainyladybug55: nadeem, that's why pete's daughter didn't burn to death (23:48:22) ga_pete361: and I can't see how I could have possibly anticipated them (23:48:23) brainyladybug55: they were watching close by (23:48:24) breeeze_in_the_trees: at six years old "Ohhh..Hmm..Matches...COOOOL :D " (23:48:27) brainyladybug55: YOUR kid died (23:48:30) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lol Breeze (23:48:32) breeeze_in_the_trees: LOL (23:48:36) hetu_007 left the room. (23:49:06) nadeemaslam36: sane it is not possible watching 24 hours never (23:49:10) ga_pete361: I mean my child reads, that's a good thing, I would hope everyone wants their kid to read (23:49:22) ga_pete361: she even enjoys reading, which is where she got the idea (23:49:22) magillagirly: no way...a kid that reads? (23:49:22) brainyladybug55: nadeem, my kids never went outside without me until they started school, NEVER (23:49:25) lukegrunau: I don't think it's right to trust God to keep your kids safe (23:49:30) lukegrunau: I think that's evading responsibility (23:49:34) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: When I was (according to my mother) about two, I woke up one morning, hungry, and decided that since Mum was asleep, I'd make my own porridge. (23:49:37) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: I had everything right - except for one detail: instead of a saucepan, I used a Tupperware container. Fortunately I had the nous to turn the damned stove off in time. (23:49:38) serpentine_gurl: Look Mom, no hands! Look Mom, no teeth! (23:49:55) rick_pernites entered the room. (23:50:02) breeeze_in_the_trees: SERP..LOL (23:50:09) serpentine_gurl: :)) (23:50:10) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: The container was damaged, but not completely gone. (23:50:14) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lmao Serp (23:50:22) nadeemaslam36: my wife was ironingclothes shewas watching her butall ofasudden she fell down sO howshe could stopher from falling (23:50:41) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Luke - Damn straight it is. It's like leaving your car unlocked when you COULD have locked it, then blaming "God" when it gets stolen. (23:50:44) brainyladybug55: no nadeem, she was chatting with her sister and didn't notice that she'd gone outside (23:50:52) brainyladybug55: it wasn't "all of a sudden" (23:51:09) ga_pete361: luke, well trusting an invisible fairy godmother to keep your kids safe, in my opinion is neglect and stupid (23:51:10) brainyladybug55: the child had time to slip out the door, climb on the roof without yoru wife noticing (23:51:18) nadeemaslam36: nowhen mydaughter died than 1998 (23:51:19) rick_pernites left the room. (23:51:38) brainyladybug55: nadeem, ever consider that the FIRST one falling and being OK was "god" warning you to watch them closer? (23:51:50) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Brainy - There you go being rational again. (23:51:51) mark_joel77 entered the room. (23:51:59) breeeze_in_the_trees: lol (23:52:07) serpentine_gurl: i just can't see not holding myself accountable for my actions, or lack of action whatever the case may be (23:52:15) dr_infectious entered the room. (23:52:18) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Y'know, I was thinking about Nadeem's comment about "when I'm healed"... I wonder about when his dead kid is "healed" if he'll forget all about it, too? (23:52:22) nadeemaslam36: we lived up stairs therelingwas there she fell of the reling n felldown therein verandan diedafter half hour (23:52:38) brainyladybug55: you said the roof (23:52:39) mark_joel77 left the room. (23:52:44) shahinshar_girl3009 entered the room. (23:52:50) magillagirly: hmm...now its a veranda with a broken rail (23:52:57) lukegrunau: Your story seems to have some holes (23:53:01) brainyladybug55: nadeem, make your own excuses and your own rationale bullshit (23:53:04) nadeemaslam36: foxy give me ur precious time iwill make u heal by thegraceof GOD (23:53:10) lukegrunau: Oh m (23:53:12) lukegrunau: my (23:53:14) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: I think Nadeem is a complete and utter bullshit artist. (23:53:18) brainyladybug55: ya foxy, he'll throw you off a roof ;) (23:53:18) emilynd409wfc entered the room. (23:53:21) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Ha! (23:53:23) nadeemaslam36: lol (23:53:25) breeeze_in_the_trees: haha, thats called a pitch (23:53:25) shahinshar_girl3009: man iranii (23:53:28) ga_pete361: actually Nadeem get's his stuff from someone else (23:53:34) brainyladybug55: perhaps his turban is a bit too tight (23:53:37) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Pete - What do you mean? (23:53:41) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lol Brainy (23:53:45) nadeemaslam36: minewas three story building (23:53:46) ga_pete361: foxy, I mean this isn't a hobby for him (23:53:48) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Pity he hasn't wrapped his pecker in it instead of his head. (23:53:54) shahinshar_girl3009 left the room. (23:54:08) nadeemaslam36: so i calledsecond floor ROOF (23:54:11) magillagirly: that explanation needs an explanation (23:54:12) lolopee3 left the room. (23:54:15) brainyladybug55: nadeem, all the more reason to watch your VERY YOUNG children more closely (23:54:17) ga_pete361: when I said he was a propagandist, I wasn't speaking metaphorically, I mean literally (23:54:17) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: lol Mags (23:54:22) spleendid_r entered the room. (23:54:28) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Pete - Oh? (23:54:29) brainyladybug55: now nadeem, I"m sorry, but MY opinion is that you and your wife are negligent (23:54:32) brainyladybug55: end of discussion (23:54:39) nadeemaslam36: yeswedo n never let them go up (23:54:57) ga_pete361: yeah foxy, if I remember all the details correctly, from what we have managed to get out of him over time (23:54:57) magillagirly: except the one time that one kid died (23:55:05) emilynd409wfc: kgI'm emily, anyone wanna talk? Send me a message...rdd (23:55:29) ***magillagirly sighs (23:55:45) dr_infectious left the room. (23:55:55) gurukarthi007 left the room. (23:56:01) ***foxygoddess@rocketmail.com contemplates mandarins... (23:56:11) lukegrunau: Foxy, I think the whole purpose of Nadeem's story is to make you trust in the "grace of god" but i think she should re-evaluate the exact value of the story on all her listeners (23:56:13) breeeze_in_the_trees: knew a emily once with a broken set of nostrils (23:56:23) lukegrunau: I know it just makes me think not to ever trust my kids with a religious nutcase babysitter (23:56:30) ga_pete361: but basically this is a job for him, he's never denied it, never denied his connection to the muslim extremist movement (23:56:30) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: My understanding was that Nadeem is a male. Especially having a wife. (23:56:39) lukegrunau: My mistake (23:56:40) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: I mean, I could be wrong... (23:56:49) gurukarthi007 entered the room. (23:56:56) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Exactly, Luke. I don't think kids should be forced into any religion. (23:57:05) gurukarthi007 left the room. (23:57:07) foxygoddess@rocketmail.com: Especially fear-based ones that threaten hell for non-believers. (23:57:11) nadeemaslam36: ga wt about LIAR BUSH uwith him/? (23:57:28) ga_pete361: see what I mean foxy, you bring that up, he doesn't deny it, he goes on the attack (23:57:49) maricrismanlapaz entered the room. (23:57:49) nadeemaslam36: therewere noweaponsin iraq (23:57:53) ga_pete361: we've asked him before, point blank, if he gets material to put out on here, and he does stuff like that (23:57:57) sudhir_accounts entered the room. (23:58:18) maricrismanlapaz: hello (23:58:48) ga_pete361: my opinion, nadeem is probably a member of a muslim terrorist network, works in a support cell, probably a store, he's a low level guy (23:58:55) ga_pete361: and they got him getting on here spreading the word (23:58:58) sudhir_accounts left the room. (23:59:06) samy2028 entered the room. (23:59:10) nadeemaslam36: me/? (23:59:21) brainyladybug55: nadeem, personally, I didn't agree with bush invading Iraq.. and I'm in favor of the US pulling out immediately (23:59:27) stonedbabejenny entered the room. (23:59:31) ga_pete361: I've asking you that question before nadeem, and you have NEVER denied it (23:59:32) breeeze_in_the_trees: hell yeah (23:59:51) brainyladybug55: and I personally don't care if Iraq burns to the ground after we leave (23:59:58) stonedbabejenny: hugs pete (00:00:03) breeeze_in_the_trees: "governor bush, I would like you to put your hands behind your back for me please sir..." (00:00:04) stonedbabejenny: hugs breeze (00:00:04) ga_pete361: hey jen! (00:00:04) maricrismanlapaz left the room. (00:00:12) breeeze_in_the_trees: hugs jen :) (00:00:15) stonedbabejenny: hugs brainy (00:00:40) breeeze_in_the_trees: sorry...was daydreaming there for a moment :)) (00:00:48) stonedbabejenny: lol breeze (00:00:55) breeeze_in_the_trees: lol (00:01:01) lionoxar left the room. (00:01:10) stonedbabejenny: i have had the same dream (00:01:22) cobetrongchiecguongsoi2003 entered the room. (00:01:23) breeeze_in_the_trees: yeah, its a reoccuring theme for me lol (00:01:30) stonedbabejenny: emily tou van have all my ims (00:01:34) cobetrongchiecguongsoi2003 left the room. (00:01:35) ga_pete361: nadeem, I interrogte people for a living, and when you ask someone a direct question like that, and they don't say "hell no" (00:01:38) ga_pete361: it's one of two things (00:01:47) ga_pete361: they either want you to believe it, or it's true (00:02:04) silent_sea2003 entered the room. (00:02:11) stonedbabejenny: i just came in 'pete (00:02:24) stonedbabejenny: what was the question you asked (00:02:26) silent_sea2003: hi room (00:02:36) ga_pete361: jen, well it's something that has come up with nadeem in the past (00:02:40) stonedbabejenny: hi sient (00:02:46) silent_sea2003: pls (00:02:51) ga_pete361: he's a regular muslim appologist that goes into room 4 (00:02:53) lukegrunau: He's suspicious of nadeem being in league with terrorists, I think (00:02:56) stonedbabejenny: i figured as much (00:03:04) ga_pete361: luke, not in leauge, but a member of the chain (00:03:42) samy2028 left the room. (00:03:48) ga_pete361: not someone you'll ever see strap on a bomb and go blow himself up, I'm guessing just one of those that work for a living, pass on money, and pretend they don't see what's going on (00:04:21) stonedbabejenny: tkase oth kinds to make it work (00:04:22) sweetguy_ayush entered the room. (00:04:24) lukegrunau: Pete, what is it exactly that you do for a living? (00:04:27) brainyladybug55: well, I'm certainly not going to leave my granddaughter with him (00:04:38) stonedbabejenny: hugs briany (00:04:43) brainyladybug55: hi jenny (00:04:48) ga_pete361: luke, I'm a cop, but more specifically I spent 7 years working counter terrorism (00:04:56) ga_pete361: course we couldn't call it that back then LOL (00:05:13) stonedbabejenny: what did you call it pete (00:05:14) lukegrunau: Oh I see, well your conviction would probably be pretty valid (00:05:15) dr_shahid62 entered the room. (00:05:31) stonedbabejenny: just curious (00:05:32) lukegrunau: I've never interrogated a potential terrorist myself (00:05:33) ga_pete361: jen it was called a "Violent Extremist" task force (00:05:48) sweetguy_ayush left the room. (00:05:54) lukegrunau: I've probably never even laid eyes on one (00:06:04) ga_pete361: since back then we were dealing primarily with home grown idiots, my bosses would never go for the word terrorist (00:06:14) ga_pete361: back then it wasn't in vogue to admit we had a problem here (00:06:15) stonedbabejenny: i see (00:06:31) ga_pete361: luke, you very well may have, and would never know it (00:06:33) stonedbabejenny: 911 changed that perspective (00:06:38) mbathez left the room. (00:06:46) ga_pete361: jenny, well it changed the rhetoric among other things (00:06:51) brainyladybug55: oklahoma changed that perspective (00:06:55) lukegrunau: Possibly, but I live in a small town which isn't under any major terrorist threats (00:06:58) lukegrunau: not to my knowledge anyway (00:07:09) ga_pete361: brainy, as bad as OK city was, it was actually beginning of the end of what I did (00:07:19) a_me55 entered the room. (00:07:26) ga_pete361: but it was also very classic in how the circle works (00:07:40) ga_pete361: luke, it isn't a matter of the threat (00:07:51) ahoo_6611 left the room. (00:07:52) stonedbabejenny: could you epound on that statement pete (00:07:56) ga_pete361: most terrorists will never ever hurt anyone, or perform a terrorist attack (00:08:04) ga_pete361: jen, which one? (00:08:20) stonedbabejenny: about ok (00:08:32) lukegrunau: I also live in a fairly cold northern climate LOL (00:08:35) saud_basosy entered the room. (00:08:36) ga_pete361: oh, terrorism is something that is always around, it runs in a cycle (00:09:04) ga_pete361: basically what happens is after a group goes active, they will make attacks until they reach a point that they can no longer be ignored (00:09:14) stonedbabejenny: so how was ok city the beging of the end (00:09:21) ga_pete361: then they implode and are stomped out by those they attack, then the cycle starts all over again |